Some thoughts on the various “Occupy” movements

This post was largely prompted by a tweet from @HollyS_:

“Hose them out of there!” – James Wale. lol in reference to the London ‘Occupy’ camping trip. Brill

My reply on @markfiend:

@HollyS_ yeah because brutal police suopression of lawful protest is a right laugh!

(Typo in the original lol)Now I willingly admit that the snark-level was a bit high there but hey, it’s twitter, and there’s not a whole lot of room for nuance in 140 characters. But having said that, I stand by the tweet.

  • Brutal: using water cannon on peaceful protesters is a disproportionate response.
  • Lawful:Β The United States constitution explicitly provides for “the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances” in the First Amendment. Similar provisions exist in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 20) and the European Convention on Human Rights (Article 11).

Rights which are not respected when the government of the day disagrees with you may as well not exist at all.

Holly’s follow-up tweet:

@markfiend Also, these people don’t even have jobs! While most of us are out there busting our arses. I can debate ->

Frankly this strikes me as a bit of a red herring. (Technically it’s an ad hominem argument.) Whether or not protesters have jobs has nothing at all to do with whether or not they are right.

Now I happen to think that the protesters are right. Billions in tax money are going to prop up failing banks because they fucked up while our hospitals, schools, colleges, libraries, all kinds of public services, are being cut to the bone in the name of austerity.

The democratic ideal was meant to be “government of the people, by the people, for the people” but we seem to have moved into “government of the people, by the corporations, for their profits”. Is it any wonder that people are angry?

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7 Responses to Some thoughts on the various “Occupy” movements

  1. Holly says:

    So why isn’t everyone in the city and beyond camping out in anger over what the gov and the banks are doing? Why are there so many callers (about roughly 98%) calling in and complaining about the camps?

  2. Holly says:

    And also, when these so call organized protestors are being interviewed and asked to clearly state the reasons for setting up camp and protesting, none can clearly give a direct reason as to how they can solve these problems. Instead of getting together as an organized rally and directing the anger where it should be – gov/bank buildings where officials are, they set up tents like it’s a big camp out with drugs, booze and other nonsense that have nothing at all to do with standing up for our rights. How are they helping anyone?

  3. markfiend says:

    98%? I hate to do it but… [citation needed]

    You don’t think the press might be deliberately picking the incoherent protesters to interview?

  4. markfiend says:

    Hey ho, I don’t think I’ve exactly convinced you have I? πŸ™‚

  5. Holly says:

    Afraid not.
    As stated before, I’m all for protests when they are organized & this one is far from. Either way, they cannot stay out there trashing public property for long. Be prepared to open your wallet once this goes to high courts, Marky. πŸ˜›

    Anywho, let’s agree to disagree & be glad to have a roof over our head & food.

  6. Holly says:

    And why do I look like a middle aged bald man? πŸ˜› —>
    I must need to sign up on wordpress, eh

  7. markfiend says:

    Aye. Agree to disagree.

    The wordpress system generates the avatars, I get a choice of style… how’s that?

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